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sagesaria(01:18:33) sagesaria9475: I LIIIIIIIIIVE!
(01:18:40) Dannipet: *JUMPS ON*
(01:18:45) sagesaria9475: :D *snuggles*
(01:20:03) sagesaria9475: got time to talk now that my mom's gone to bed and I actually have time to kill? XD
(01:20:19) Dannipet: mmmhm
(01:21:19) sagesaria9475: woot!
(01:21:39) sagesaria9475: ...with all this time it took to actually get around to talking, you'd think I'd have figured out where to start ^^a
(01:23:42) sagesaria9475: I'm trying to remember who we were talking about that even brought it up ^^a
(01:24:53) Dannipet: We weren't. ^^;
(01:25:01) sagesaria9475: XD;
(01:25:51) sagesaria9475: I thought of some stuff for Karrah/River, but I think I want to save her for last if possible because a lot of it would involve wracking my brain trying to remember some of Norrath's politics and stuff XD
(01:26:24) sagesaria9475: I guess we can start with Ryder's girls, Helen and Ameila
(01:26:52) Dannipet: I thought they'd had stuff though?
(01:27:09) sagesaria9475: stuff like development?
(01:27:38) sagesaria9475: the most they got between the two of them was that Ameila's a wood elf ^^;
(01:27:43) sagesaria9475: and can cook
(01:35:54) sagesaria9475: *really has no idea what else to say about them lol*
(01:37:52) Dannipet: ^^;
(01:39:02) sagesaria9475: I guess I kind of think of them like most of the non-RPers and NPCs you run into on EQ; they're kinda just there for the ride and don't have much backstory. Even if they did I doubt theirs would be as impressive as, say, Ryder's.
(01:39:50) Dannipet: Maybe, maybe not. There are little characters in books everywhere who have their own stories
(01:40:29) sagesaria9475: very true. it's just hard to think of anything. especially since it's been years since I've even played the game XD
(01:41:34) Dannipet: Well, for characters a lot of them time you can't just think 'oh this is what their life was like' and then be set. Most of the time you have to start from the beginning and build off of what comes to mind
(01:41:57) Dannipet: like...how about make them both orphans that have known each other since they were two feet tall?
(01:42:35) Dannipet: or if you don't want to do the orphan thing too much, then just say their parents sucked
(01:43:00) sagesaria9475: maybe? The way I wrote it as it is I think Ryder and Ameila met first, then Helen came along delivering mail in town and met them. But that was my NaNo draft, so who knows what might change XD
(01:44:14) Dannipet: Well, if that was in your NaNo then I forgot. lol
(01:44:20) sagesaria9475: right XD
(01:44:27) Dannipet: but okay, right off from there
(01:44:44) Dannipet: Helen was delivering mail? Professionally or every so often?
(01:45:17) sagesaria9475: either/or. It's a standard job for bards, one of the sidequests you can do for EXP
(01:45:50) Dannipet: well, okay, set the game details aside for a second and imagine in a "real" world situation
(01:46:05) Dannipet: It's your story, you can decide either or
(01:46:22) Dannipet: If an every so often, was she struggling as a bard?
(01:46:45) Dannipet: or if professionally, why is she delivering mail instead of traveling and playing?
(01:47:03) sagesaria9475: hmm
(01:47:47) sagesaria9475: could be a combination of both. she's the lutist so it's not like she's incapable of music, but maybe it was something she just couldn't do alone
(01:48:11) Dannipet: okay. Semi-professionally because she had yet to find some to travel with
(01:48:20) Dannipet: Say she had a previous group
(01:48:44) Dannipet: they weren't very great. Drunk, mostly. Halfway decent players if they really tried, but didn't often try much
(01:48:49) Dannipet: not bad people, just. Lazy
(01:49:20) Dannipet: so the last town they went to she got fed up cause she wanted to play seriously, and decided to find new friends
(01:50:03) Dannipet: The mail thing ended up being a part time job. Travel and meet people. Two things she'd need to do.
(01:50:12) Dannipet: It was a perfect opportunity
(01:51:53) sagesaria9475: that could work. Heck maybe it could tie in to River, because I was thinking that she'd be getting some letters from Ryder (or other people? still fuzzy there but anyway), and at some point the girls come to check up on her
(01:55:12) sagesaria9475: maybe she could have a run-in with them later? :o
(01:55:21) Dannipet: hm?
(01:55:29) sagesaria9475: Helen. this old group
(01:55:35) sagesaria9475: run in
(01:55:36) sagesaria9475: maybe?
(01:56:23) sagesaria9475: *plottin's plottin's*
(01:57:35) Dannipet: Hmm, that'd be cool
(01:57:55) Dannipet: It might work better as a cheery, yet awkward run in.
(01:58:11) Dannipet: You got a lot of 'oh dear god no' in your story so far. And I like Helen.
(01:58:20) sagesaria9475: XD
(01:58:24) Dannipet: maybe they could ask her for a favor
(01:58:35) Dannipet: kind of like a quest of sorts.
(01:58:40) Dannipet: without the experience
(01:58:44) Dannipet: or the gold reward
(01:59:21) sagesaria9475: hmm. definitely something to think about
(01:59:51) Dannipet: Okay, as for Amelia.
(01:59:55) sagesaria9475: and of course I'll have to figure these people out too XD
(01:59:58) sagesaria9475: anyway, Ameila
(02:00:02) Dannipet: How did she and Ryder meet?
(02:00:17) Dannipet: Bah, they're smaller side characters. You won't need so much detail like background
(02:00:32) Dannipet: just personality and maybe a one year history
(02:00:33) sagesaria9475: XD they'd at least need names eventually, maybe
(02:00:35) sagesaria9475: anyway
(02:00:48) Dannipet: nicknames. Make it easy.
(02:00:50) Dannipet: lol
(02:00:54) sagesaria9475: XDD
(02:02:41) sagesaria9475: Ameila met Ryder when he fled from the Shadow Cats; he took a boat from Antonica (the continent Freeport and Qeynos are on) to the Faydwer continent and hid out in Kelethin, the Wood Elf city
(02:02:49) sagesaria9475: that's as far as I got in that area ^^;
(02:03:12) Dannipet: What is it she plays?
(02:03:20) sagesaria9475: tambourine. and dances
(02:03:33) Dannipet: hmmm
(02:04:01) Dannipet: we could say that she was a small time entertainer and bar wench. Or, the wood elf equivalent of it.
(02:04:09) Dannipet: The tavern...hostess....
(02:04:10) Dannipet: something
(02:04:23) Dannipet: or the Inn
(02:04:24) sagesaria9475: well there's certainly a tavern in Kelethin, that'd work ^^
(02:04:27) Dannipet: lol
(02:04:45) Dannipet: nothing big. Played and danced on weekends while someone sang
(02:05:07) Dannipet: ...give her some family obligations.
(02:05:47) Dannipet: An older brother that she's promised to keep an eye on.
(02:06:02) Dannipet: mostly said as a joke, but something she does take seriously
(02:06:07) Dannipet: does that make sense?
(02:06:15) sagesaria9475: I think so? XD
(02:06:44) sagesaria9475: looking after an older brother would imply something's wrong with him, since it's usually the other way around...sickly older brother?
(02:06:53) Dannipet: Could be.
(02:07:18) Dannipet: Nothing majorly serious, but you could say their parents work elsewhere, so she's the only one who can look after him properly
(02:07:34) Dannipet: It can't be, like, a bad sickness cause then she'd never leave
(02:07:39) sagesaria9475: yeah, exactly
(02:07:56) sagesaria9475: something she'd be keeping posted on at the very least
(02:07:57) Dannipet: Maybe he's just one of those people that gets cold every other week
(02:08:02) Dannipet: colds*
(02:08:31) sagesaria9475: it certainly gives a good idea of where her cooking skills come from
(02:09:05) Dannipet: So like, he can take care of himself, but with her help it's just a lot easier, so she felt that it was her responsibility to take care of him
(02:09:11) Dannipet: then Ryder came to town
(02:09:42) Dannipet: and over however long he was there for, she got this feeling that she wanted to take care of him, too
(02:09:49) Dannipet: but he wasn't staying in town forever
(02:10:07) Dannipet: Ultimately it could be the brother that convinces her to go and see the world.
(02:10:23) sagesaria9475: so basically Ameila is a mother hen. XD
(02:10:32) Dannipet: sounds good me
(02:10:34) Dannipet: to
(02:10:36) Dannipet: lag
(02:11:28) sagesaria9475: now of course I ponder how long Ryder would want to stay in town and where he would want to go after that
(02:12:01) sagesaria9475: he probably wouldn't want to go back to Antonica right away. painful memories and fears and all that
(02:12:27) Dannipet: He doesn't want to stay in town for too long. I imagine staying in one place for a long time would be risky
(02:12:57) Dannipet: Few months, adjust to the turn his life had taken, and figure out where he wants to go from there
(02:13:25) Dannipet: If that is the case, then the best response after would just be an in general 'keep moving'.
(02:13:45) Dannipet: So maybe pick a town as far away from his memories as he can see on a map and make his way there
(02:14:05) sagesaria9475: *hopes she can find her old map of Norrath*
(02:14:48) Dannipet: The company, Amelia, is unexpected and awkward, but not necessarily unwanted. Being alone would probably be bad for his sanity, if he's smart enough to reason it that way
(02:15:05) Dannipet: that and a few months is enough time to become friends with anyone
(02:15:23) sagesaria9475: as has been shown in this series XD
(02:15:33) sagesaria9475: plus I kind of get the idea that he might kind of be indebted to her
(02:15:56) sagesaria9475: I imagine he wasn't in the best physical shape either coming off of that boat
(02:16:33) Dannipet: that works
(02:16:35) sagesaria9475: I don't remember how long the trip is between continents, but it's certainly long enough that one could get seasick, and he's no doubt half-starved and exhausted
(02:16:50) Dannipet: *nods*
(02:18:37) Dannipet: the boat could have docked on one of the days she performed. So that when he inevitably stumbles in for a steady chair they have something to talk about.
(02:18:41) Dannipet: lol
(02:19:31) Dannipet: tired compliment plus 'oh no you don't look so good' and the rest is history
(02:19:41) sagesaria9475: hee
(02:20:33) sagesaria9475: dag, I just realised how far he'd have to stumble for that. lol, it still probably works XD
(02:21:04) sagesaria9475: I'll have to check the map again >>
(02:21:15) Dannipet: hrm
(02:21:37) Dannipet: well, like I said, this is just mostly an outline. You can fine tune it easily enough later
(02:22:13) sagesaria9475: right. worst case scenario, I'll say she was running an errand closer to the dock, if it's too far away XD
(02:22:48) Dannipet: lol
(02:25:19) sagesaria9475: hmm, who else...I was kind of pondering if Krii needed much more development. all I really have in mind is that she was born into the Shadow Cats and grew up at the same time Ryder was brought in, and that they either have some history or she has a crush on him
(02:33:21) sagesaria9475: probably the latter, and maybe he had some feelings for her before he met Grace?
(02:33:30) Dannipet: maybe
(02:34:07) sagesaria9475: I dunno, does she need much beyond that? She only shows up in Karrah to harass her and beyond that the most she'd have is flashback cameos XD
(02:35:26) Dannipet: if she's not important then don't overthink her
(02:36:06) Dannipet: the minor characters that need backgrounds are the ones important enough for the readers to think about
(02:36:40) Dannipet: granted, bigger stories have quite a few of those
(02:37:28) sagesaria9475: yeah, I can probably count the really important minor characters on two hands
(02:37:31) sagesaria9475: maybe even one
(02:37:51) Dannipet: was gonna say: that's a good thing. Cause you only have two
(02:37:58) sagesaria9475: XDD
(02:38:16) sagesaria9475: *SUDDENLY SPROUTS A THIRD ARM JUST FOR THIS PROJECT LOLOLOL*
(03:47:23) sagesaria9475: I'm trying to decide if Darreth will ever have any significance to the rest of the story. I liked him, as little as he was developed beyond being the Yoda of the story, I'd love an excuse to bring him back, lol
(03:49:50) Dannipet: I dunno. I'd still need more information to build on. It has been over a year since i read your story
(03:50:21) sagesaria9475: hmm, what do you need specifically, do you know?
(03:53:51) sagesaria9475: he's the master of the monk dojo Karrah lived in, if that helps?
(03:54:16) Dannipet: hrm, I don't know if a character like him would need much of a background.
(03:54:28) Dannipet: Mostly because a character like him seems to deserve his own story
(03:54:48) Dannipet: impressive characters do that
(03:55:25) Dannipet: bad guys, teachers, the strong world leader characters
(03:55:43) Dannipet: they're not just your everyday NPC, you know?
(03:55:54) sagesaria9475: yeah XD
(03:56:09) Dannipet: What brought them to their current place is as big and serious as your main characters
(03:56:30) sagesaria9475: I doubt it's an interesting backstory anyway. Monks lead kind of boring lives, lmao
(03:56:45) Dannipet: Luckily, with exception to the bad guy, a lot of them don't necessarily need their background explained
(03:56:51) Dannipet: unless you do write their story
(03:56:54) Dannipet: and you never know
(03:57:26) Dannipet: he could have had an encounter with your bad guys way back when he was younger
(03:57:59) sagesaria9475: maybe. if he did he probably didn't know who it was. Since he didn't recognise the Shadow Cats' mark
(03:58:06) Dannipet: don't write off just because of their lifestyle. Though I will admit monks seem to acquire wisdom without doing anything particular profound
(03:58:14) Dannipet: particularly
(03:59:02) sagesaria9475: well when I think of the monk guild I think of people spending every day learning martial arts and meditation, so...^^;
(03:59:24) Dannipet: lol
(03:59:33) Dannipet: then he probably doesn't need much of a history
(03:59:47) sagesaria9475: yeah. I just wonder if I can bring him back sometime ^^;
(03:59:59) Dannipet: probably.
(04:00:33) sagesaria9475: now I'm pondering River's parents. I'm kind of getting an idea of being loving, but distant...if that makes sense
(04:00:40) sagesaria9475: like they weren't always around, but they always looked out for her
(04:01:16) sagesaria9475: and the reason I say that is because I kind of have the idea that her teacher, the one who recognised her in the tavern and told her her name and stuff, was also her nanny
(04:01:34) Dannipet: oooooh
(04:01:38) Dannipet: that's goo
(04:01:39) Dannipet: good
(04:02:06) sagesaria9475: I figured that would go with her motherlyness to her, and how she knows a lot about how River was as a person before she disappeared
(04:02:19) sagesaria9475: ...she's gonna need a name eventually >>
(04:03:27) sagesaria9475: the parents though...what are the typical reasons one would have to be away a lot? Work comes to mind, but would there be anything else?
(04:03:32) Dannipet: Something starting with a C
(04:03:42) Dannipet: for the name
(04:03:55) sagesaria9475: ...Crystal? Or is that too cliched?
(04:04:03) Dannipet: ......might be a bit
(04:04:07) sagesaria9475: hrm
(04:04:14) Dannipet: maybe a Cl if you can think of something
(04:04:20) Dannipet: Cl is a nice sound
(04:04:58) sagesaria9475: hmm...I'll have to think on it awhile XD
(04:05:17) Dannipet: and work is the only good thing that comes to mind
(04:05:49) sagesaria9475: hmm.....what kind of jobs then...I want to say her father was a guard, but the mother...
(04:06:48) Dannipet: kitchen wench
(04:06:54) Dannipet: or the nice equivelent
(04:07:10) Dannipet: so I like saying 'wench'. lemme alone
(04:07:13) sagesaria9475: XDD
(04:07:27) sagesaria9475: so somebody who does a lot of cooking and cleaning for somebody else, basically?
(04:09:19) sagesaria9475: I kind of was thinking that the mother was a bardess, at first, but then I realised if the nanny is a bardess and she's involved in most of River's life than that would easily be where the influence came from
(04:10:06) Dannipet: yeah
(04:10:24) sagesaria9475: so she was probably a family friend or something...*ponder ponder*
(04:14:12) sagesaria9475: I think either River herself, her mother, or the nanny did jewelcrafting as a hobby, because River has a lot of trinkets lying around in a box, as I mentioned once upon a time. I can't decide who though
(04:14:33) Dannipet: mom in her free time
(04:14:59) Dannipet: sent River shiny things to remind her she loves her when she couldn't be home
(04:15:13) sagesaria9475: makes sense
(04:16:01) sagesaria9475: the jewelbox itself is pretty important, and alas it's the hardest part to get help on because I can hardly remember EQ's politics ><
(04:16:39) sagesaria9475: basically it boils down to River was involved in a group trying to stick up to The Man, because Freeport is one fucked up town
(04:17:31) sagesaria9475: so she'd get letters or notes or something about...something relating to the rebelion, I have no idea what exactly, and she'd hide the more recent ones in the back of the bottom drawer of her jewelry box (inspired by mine; t
(04:17:49) sagesaria9475: it's top has little slots for putting trinkets, and then there's a drawer in the bottom)
(04:18:07) sagesaria9475: basically you'd have to pull the drawer out to find them
(04:19:10) sagesaria9475: I keep wondering if it's too obvious a place to look, and how she would know to look there, or maybe it's not even related to this group at all, maybe it's a letter from her parents or something
(04:19:31) Dannipet: iunno
(04:19:55) sagesaria9475: yeah, like I said, it's the hardest thing to decide ^^;
(04:20:09) sagesaria9475: though whatever's in it is definitely a clue to her past, I know that much
(04:22:57) sagesaria9475: I just don't know how obvious or easy it is to think to pull the drawer all the way out and look behind it
(04:23:37) sagesaria9475: I could just have it be a locked drawer ^^;
(04:46:18) sagesaria9475: I guess in the end my question is how can she get away with rebelion so long before they finally sick assassins on her? She's a bardess, not a ninja XD
(04:46:40) Dannipet: lol I don't know
(04:48:33) sagesaria9475: bleh, if only I could get my hands on EQ again just for a refresher course, maybe it would help the tiniest bit
(04:48:47) sagesaria9475: oh well, I still know more about my characters than I did before <3
(01:18:40) Dannipet: *JUMPS ON*
(01:18:45) sagesaria9475: :D *snuggles*
(01:20:03) sagesaria9475: got time to talk now that my mom's gone to bed and I actually have time to kill? XD
(01:20:19) Dannipet: mmmhm
(01:21:19) sagesaria9475: woot!
(01:21:39) sagesaria9475: ...with all this time it took to actually get around to talking, you'd think I'd have figured out where to start ^^a
(01:23:42) sagesaria9475: I'm trying to remember who we were talking about that even brought it up ^^a
(01:24:53) Dannipet: We weren't. ^^;
(01:25:01) sagesaria9475: XD;
(01:25:51) sagesaria9475: I thought of some stuff for Karrah/River, but I think I want to save her for last if possible because a lot of it would involve wracking my brain trying to remember some of Norrath's politics and stuff XD
(01:26:24) sagesaria9475: I guess we can start with Ryder's girls, Helen and Ameila
(01:26:52) Dannipet: I thought they'd had stuff though?
(01:27:09) sagesaria9475: stuff like development?
(01:27:38) sagesaria9475: the most they got between the two of them was that Ameila's a wood elf ^^;
(01:27:43) sagesaria9475: and can cook
(01:35:54) sagesaria9475: *really has no idea what else to say about them lol*
(01:37:52) Dannipet: ^^;
(01:39:02) sagesaria9475: I guess I kind of think of them like most of the non-RPers and NPCs you run into on EQ; they're kinda just there for the ride and don't have much backstory. Even if they did I doubt theirs would be as impressive as, say, Ryder's.
(01:39:50) Dannipet: Maybe, maybe not. There are little characters in books everywhere who have their own stories
(01:40:29) sagesaria9475: very true. it's just hard to think of anything. especially since it's been years since I've even played the game XD
(01:41:34) Dannipet: Well, for characters a lot of them time you can't just think 'oh this is what their life was like' and then be set. Most of the time you have to start from the beginning and build off of what comes to mind
(01:41:57) Dannipet: like...how about make them both orphans that have known each other since they were two feet tall?
(01:42:35) Dannipet: or if you don't want to do the orphan thing too much, then just say their parents sucked
(01:43:00) sagesaria9475: maybe? The way I wrote it as it is I think Ryder and Ameila met first, then Helen came along delivering mail in town and met them. But that was my NaNo draft, so who knows what might change XD
(01:44:14) Dannipet: Well, if that was in your NaNo then I forgot. lol
(01:44:20) sagesaria9475: right XD
(01:44:27) Dannipet: but okay, right off from there
(01:44:44) Dannipet: Helen was delivering mail? Professionally or every so often?
(01:45:17) sagesaria9475: either/or. It's a standard job for bards, one of the sidequests you can do for EXP
(01:45:50) Dannipet: well, okay, set the game details aside for a second and imagine in a "real" world situation
(01:46:05) Dannipet: It's your story, you can decide either or
(01:46:22) Dannipet: If an every so often, was she struggling as a bard?
(01:46:45) Dannipet: or if professionally, why is she delivering mail instead of traveling and playing?
(01:47:03) sagesaria9475: hmm
(01:47:47) sagesaria9475: could be a combination of both. she's the lutist so it's not like she's incapable of music, but maybe it was something she just couldn't do alone
(01:48:11) Dannipet: okay. Semi-professionally because she had yet to find some to travel with
(01:48:20) Dannipet: Say she had a previous group
(01:48:44) Dannipet: they weren't very great. Drunk, mostly. Halfway decent players if they really tried, but didn't often try much
(01:48:49) Dannipet: not bad people, just. Lazy
(01:49:20) Dannipet: so the last town they went to she got fed up cause she wanted to play seriously, and decided to find new friends
(01:50:03) Dannipet: The mail thing ended up being a part time job. Travel and meet people. Two things she'd need to do.
(01:50:12) Dannipet: It was a perfect opportunity
(01:51:53) sagesaria9475: that could work. Heck maybe it could tie in to River, because I was thinking that she'd be getting some letters from Ryder (or other people? still fuzzy there but anyway), and at some point the girls come to check up on her
(01:55:12) sagesaria9475: maybe she could have a run-in with them later? :o
(01:55:21) Dannipet: hm?
(01:55:29) sagesaria9475: Helen. this old group
(01:55:35) sagesaria9475: run in
(01:55:36) sagesaria9475: maybe?
(01:56:23) sagesaria9475: *plottin's plottin's*
(01:57:35) Dannipet: Hmm, that'd be cool
(01:57:55) Dannipet: It might work better as a cheery, yet awkward run in.
(01:58:11) Dannipet: You got a lot of 'oh dear god no' in your story so far. And I like Helen.
(01:58:20) sagesaria9475: XD
(01:58:24) Dannipet: maybe they could ask her for a favor
(01:58:35) Dannipet: kind of like a quest of sorts.
(01:58:40) Dannipet: without the experience
(01:58:44) Dannipet: or the gold reward
(01:59:21) sagesaria9475: hmm. definitely something to think about
(01:59:51) Dannipet: Okay, as for Amelia.
(01:59:55) sagesaria9475: and of course I'll have to figure these people out too XD
(01:59:58) sagesaria9475: anyway, Ameila
(02:00:02) Dannipet: How did she and Ryder meet?
(02:00:17) Dannipet: Bah, they're smaller side characters. You won't need so much detail like background
(02:00:32) Dannipet: just personality and maybe a one year history
(02:00:33) sagesaria9475: XD they'd at least need names eventually, maybe
(02:00:35) sagesaria9475: anyway
(02:00:48) Dannipet: nicknames. Make it easy.
(02:00:50) Dannipet: lol
(02:00:54) sagesaria9475: XDD
(02:02:41) sagesaria9475: Ameila met Ryder when he fled from the Shadow Cats; he took a boat from Antonica (the continent Freeport and Qeynos are on) to the Faydwer continent and hid out in Kelethin, the Wood Elf city
(02:02:49) sagesaria9475: that's as far as I got in that area ^^;
(02:03:12) Dannipet: What is it she plays?
(02:03:20) sagesaria9475: tambourine. and dances
(02:03:33) Dannipet: hmmm
(02:04:01) Dannipet: we could say that she was a small time entertainer and bar wench. Or, the wood elf equivalent of it.
(02:04:09) Dannipet: The tavern...hostess....
(02:04:10) Dannipet: something
(02:04:23) Dannipet: or the Inn
(02:04:24) sagesaria9475: well there's certainly a tavern in Kelethin, that'd work ^^
(02:04:27) Dannipet: lol
(02:04:45) Dannipet: nothing big. Played and danced on weekends while someone sang
(02:05:07) Dannipet: ...give her some family obligations.
(02:05:47) Dannipet: An older brother that she's promised to keep an eye on.
(02:06:02) Dannipet: mostly said as a joke, but something she does take seriously
(02:06:07) Dannipet: does that make sense?
(02:06:15) sagesaria9475: I think so? XD
(02:06:44) sagesaria9475: looking after an older brother would imply something's wrong with him, since it's usually the other way around...sickly older brother?
(02:06:53) Dannipet: Could be.
(02:07:18) Dannipet: Nothing majorly serious, but you could say their parents work elsewhere, so she's the only one who can look after him properly
(02:07:34) Dannipet: It can't be, like, a bad sickness cause then she'd never leave
(02:07:39) sagesaria9475: yeah, exactly
(02:07:56) sagesaria9475: something she'd be keeping posted on at the very least
(02:07:57) Dannipet: Maybe he's just one of those people that gets cold every other week
(02:08:02) Dannipet: colds*
(02:08:31) sagesaria9475: it certainly gives a good idea of where her cooking skills come from
(02:09:05) Dannipet: So like, he can take care of himself, but with her help it's just a lot easier, so she felt that it was her responsibility to take care of him
(02:09:11) Dannipet: then Ryder came to town
(02:09:42) Dannipet: and over however long he was there for, she got this feeling that she wanted to take care of him, too
(02:09:49) Dannipet: but he wasn't staying in town forever
(02:10:07) Dannipet: Ultimately it could be the brother that convinces her to go and see the world.
(02:10:23) sagesaria9475: so basically Ameila is a mother hen. XD
(02:10:32) Dannipet: sounds good me
(02:10:34) Dannipet: to
(02:10:36) Dannipet: lag
(02:11:28) sagesaria9475: now of course I ponder how long Ryder would want to stay in town and where he would want to go after that
(02:12:01) sagesaria9475: he probably wouldn't want to go back to Antonica right away. painful memories and fears and all that
(02:12:27) Dannipet: He doesn't want to stay in town for too long. I imagine staying in one place for a long time would be risky
(02:12:57) Dannipet: Few months, adjust to the turn his life had taken, and figure out where he wants to go from there
(02:13:25) Dannipet: If that is the case, then the best response after would just be an in general 'keep moving'.
(02:13:45) Dannipet: So maybe pick a town as far away from his memories as he can see on a map and make his way there
(02:14:05) sagesaria9475: *hopes she can find her old map of Norrath*
(02:14:48) Dannipet: The company, Amelia, is unexpected and awkward, but not necessarily unwanted. Being alone would probably be bad for his sanity, if he's smart enough to reason it that way
(02:15:05) Dannipet: that and a few months is enough time to become friends with anyone
(02:15:23) sagesaria9475: as has been shown in this series XD
(02:15:33) sagesaria9475: plus I kind of get the idea that he might kind of be indebted to her
(02:15:56) sagesaria9475: I imagine he wasn't in the best physical shape either coming off of that boat
(02:16:33) Dannipet: that works
(02:16:35) sagesaria9475: I don't remember how long the trip is between continents, but it's certainly long enough that one could get seasick, and he's no doubt half-starved and exhausted
(02:16:50) Dannipet: *nods*
(02:18:37) Dannipet: the boat could have docked on one of the days she performed. So that when he inevitably stumbles in for a steady chair they have something to talk about.
(02:18:41) Dannipet: lol
(02:19:31) Dannipet: tired compliment plus 'oh no you don't look so good' and the rest is history
(02:19:41) sagesaria9475: hee
(02:20:33) sagesaria9475: dag, I just realised how far he'd have to stumble for that. lol, it still probably works XD
(02:21:04) sagesaria9475: I'll have to check the map again >>
(02:21:15) Dannipet: hrm
(02:21:37) Dannipet: well, like I said, this is just mostly an outline. You can fine tune it easily enough later
(02:22:13) sagesaria9475: right. worst case scenario, I'll say she was running an errand closer to the dock, if it's too far away XD
(02:22:48) Dannipet: lol
(02:25:19) sagesaria9475: hmm, who else...I was kind of pondering if Krii needed much more development. all I really have in mind is that she was born into the Shadow Cats and grew up at the same time Ryder was brought in, and that they either have some history or she has a crush on him
(02:33:21) sagesaria9475: probably the latter, and maybe he had some feelings for her before he met Grace?
(02:33:30) Dannipet: maybe
(02:34:07) sagesaria9475: I dunno, does she need much beyond that? She only shows up in Karrah to harass her and beyond that the most she'd have is flashback cameos XD
(02:35:26) Dannipet: if she's not important then don't overthink her
(02:36:06) Dannipet: the minor characters that need backgrounds are the ones important enough for the readers to think about
(02:36:40) Dannipet: granted, bigger stories have quite a few of those
(02:37:28) sagesaria9475: yeah, I can probably count the really important minor characters on two hands
(02:37:31) sagesaria9475: maybe even one
(02:37:51) Dannipet: was gonna say: that's a good thing. Cause you only have two
(02:37:58) sagesaria9475: XDD
(02:38:16) sagesaria9475: *SUDDENLY SPROUTS A THIRD ARM JUST FOR THIS PROJECT LOLOLOL*
(03:47:23) sagesaria9475: I'm trying to decide if Darreth will ever have any significance to the rest of the story. I liked him, as little as he was developed beyond being the Yoda of the story, I'd love an excuse to bring him back, lol
(03:49:50) Dannipet: I dunno. I'd still need more information to build on. It has been over a year since i read your story
(03:50:21) sagesaria9475: hmm, what do you need specifically, do you know?
(03:53:51) sagesaria9475: he's the master of the monk dojo Karrah lived in, if that helps?
(03:54:16) Dannipet: hrm, I don't know if a character like him would need much of a background.
(03:54:28) Dannipet: Mostly because a character like him seems to deserve his own story
(03:54:48) Dannipet: impressive characters do that
(03:55:25) Dannipet: bad guys, teachers, the strong world leader characters
(03:55:43) Dannipet: they're not just your everyday NPC, you know?
(03:55:54) sagesaria9475: yeah XD
(03:56:09) Dannipet: What brought them to their current place is as big and serious as your main characters
(03:56:30) sagesaria9475: I doubt it's an interesting backstory anyway. Monks lead kind of boring lives, lmao
(03:56:45) Dannipet: Luckily, with exception to the bad guy, a lot of them don't necessarily need their background explained
(03:56:51) Dannipet: unless you do write their story
(03:56:54) Dannipet: and you never know
(03:57:26) Dannipet: he could have had an encounter with your bad guys way back when he was younger
(03:57:59) sagesaria9475: maybe. if he did he probably didn't know who it was. Since he didn't recognise the Shadow Cats' mark
(03:58:06) Dannipet: don't write off just because of their lifestyle. Though I will admit monks seem to acquire wisdom without doing anything particular profound
(03:58:14) Dannipet: particularly
(03:59:02) sagesaria9475: well when I think of the monk guild I think of people spending every day learning martial arts and meditation, so...^^;
(03:59:24) Dannipet: lol
(03:59:33) Dannipet: then he probably doesn't need much of a history
(03:59:47) sagesaria9475: yeah. I just wonder if I can bring him back sometime ^^;
(03:59:59) Dannipet: probably.
(04:00:33) sagesaria9475: now I'm pondering River's parents. I'm kind of getting an idea of being loving, but distant...if that makes sense
(04:00:40) sagesaria9475: like they weren't always around, but they always looked out for her
(04:01:16) sagesaria9475: and the reason I say that is because I kind of have the idea that her teacher, the one who recognised her in the tavern and told her her name and stuff, was also her nanny
(04:01:34) Dannipet: oooooh
(04:01:38) Dannipet: that's goo
(04:01:39) Dannipet: good
(04:02:06) sagesaria9475: I figured that would go with her motherlyness to her, and how she knows a lot about how River was as a person before she disappeared
(04:02:19) sagesaria9475: ...she's gonna need a name eventually >>
(04:03:27) sagesaria9475: the parents though...what are the typical reasons one would have to be away a lot? Work comes to mind, but would there be anything else?
(04:03:32) Dannipet: Something starting with a C
(04:03:42) Dannipet: for the name
(04:03:55) sagesaria9475: ...Crystal? Or is that too cliched?
(04:04:03) Dannipet: ......might be a bit
(04:04:07) sagesaria9475: hrm
(04:04:14) Dannipet: maybe a Cl if you can think of something
(04:04:20) Dannipet: Cl is a nice sound
(04:04:58) sagesaria9475: hmm...I'll have to think on it awhile XD
(04:05:17) Dannipet: and work is the only good thing that comes to mind
(04:05:49) sagesaria9475: hmm.....what kind of jobs then...I want to say her father was a guard, but the mother...
(04:06:48) Dannipet: kitchen wench
(04:06:54) Dannipet: or the nice equivelent
(04:07:10) Dannipet: so I like saying 'wench'. lemme alone
(04:07:13) sagesaria9475: XDD
(04:07:27) sagesaria9475: so somebody who does a lot of cooking and cleaning for somebody else, basically?
(04:09:19) sagesaria9475: I kind of was thinking that the mother was a bardess, at first, but then I realised if the nanny is a bardess and she's involved in most of River's life than that would easily be where the influence came from
(04:10:06) Dannipet: yeah
(04:10:24) sagesaria9475: so she was probably a family friend or something...*ponder ponder*
(04:14:12) sagesaria9475: I think either River herself, her mother, or the nanny did jewelcrafting as a hobby, because River has a lot of trinkets lying around in a box, as I mentioned once upon a time. I can't decide who though
(04:14:33) Dannipet: mom in her free time
(04:14:59) Dannipet: sent River shiny things to remind her she loves her when she couldn't be home
(04:15:13) sagesaria9475: makes sense
(04:16:01) sagesaria9475: the jewelbox itself is pretty important, and alas it's the hardest part to get help on because I can hardly remember EQ's politics ><
(04:16:39) sagesaria9475: basically it boils down to River was involved in a group trying to stick up to The Man, because Freeport is one fucked up town
(04:17:31) sagesaria9475: so she'd get letters or notes or something about...something relating to the rebelion, I have no idea what exactly, and she'd hide the more recent ones in the back of the bottom drawer of her jewelry box (inspired by mine; t
(04:17:49) sagesaria9475: it's top has little slots for putting trinkets, and then there's a drawer in the bottom)
(04:18:07) sagesaria9475: basically you'd have to pull the drawer out to find them
(04:19:10) sagesaria9475: I keep wondering if it's too obvious a place to look, and how she would know to look there, or maybe it's not even related to this group at all, maybe it's a letter from her parents or something
(04:19:31) Dannipet: iunno
(04:19:55) sagesaria9475: yeah, like I said, it's the hardest thing to decide ^^;
(04:20:09) sagesaria9475: though whatever's in it is definitely a clue to her past, I know that much
(04:22:57) sagesaria9475: I just don't know how obvious or easy it is to think to pull the drawer all the way out and look behind it
(04:23:37) sagesaria9475: I could just have it be a locked drawer ^^;
(04:46:18) sagesaria9475: I guess in the end my question is how can she get away with rebelion so long before they finally sick assassins on her? She's a bardess, not a ninja XD
(04:46:40) Dannipet: lol I don't know
(04:48:33) sagesaria9475: bleh, if only I could get my hands on EQ again just for a refresher course, maybe it would help the tiniest bit
(04:48:47) sagesaria9475: oh well, I still know more about my characters than I did before <3
